Hoping the stock market will “come back”

I posted the following as a comment on Big Money Tony’s blog as a response to his hope that the stock market will “come back”:

I’ve come to realize that what we saw from 1997 through 2000 will never happen again in our lifetime. Look at Japan: the Nikkei finished 1989 around 37,000. It’s below 10,000 now. That’s almost 20 years later and it’s down 72%. OK, so you and I don’t invest in Japanese stocks, but how about tech stocks? The Nasdaq topped 5,000 in the beginning of 2000. It’s below 1,900 right now. That’s down 62% in nine and a half years. I’m tired of hearing that stocks are a long term investment. How long does long term have to be? I citied two examples of broad indexes with terrible returns over the past 9 and 20 years. People have been waiting for those markets to “come back” for years and years.

I’m now convinced that the only way these markets will return to their previous lofty values is not through the appreciation of the aggregate growth and value of the companies that make up the market, but rather through a depreciation of the currencies that we measure the worth of these companies. Think about it this way: if there are currently 10 trillion dollars in existence and Microsoft sells for $22 a share, what would a share of Microsoft stock sell for if the money supply doubled to 20 trillion dollars? If all other factors were equal, Microsoft would sell for $44 a share. Has Microsoft captured more market share or been more productive or efficient? In my example, they have not but yet the price of the stock would still go up.

The above scenario is exactly what the powers that be in the government and the federal reserve hope will happen, that simply through money supply growth we will all perceive that we will be richer through higher asset prices (such as stocks and housing prices) when in fact they are just creating inflation which is paid by all of us in the form of a hidden tax.

June 10, 2009 7:02 pm. Economics.

2 Comments

  1. Big Money Tony replied:

    While I agree with you on your theory for the most part, the thing I can not get over is that if you eliminate stock market climbing as wealth building, there is not much left to build wealth on/with.

    Real estate will be out of the question after the sub-prime mortgage meltdown, which unfortunately in turn took down the entire real estate market. Save growing metropolitans and select neighborhoods, it will be hard to grow off a $300K investment, which for most people is a financed purchase anyways. The increase of say $25K on that will be more than offset by interest paid over the life of the mortgage or taxes if held less than the prescribed rules dictated by the IRS.

    No other “traditional” investment vehicle can drive funds at such growth. Savings rates are practically nil and would get eaten up by the “hidden tax” you mention.

    What’s left is lottery or plain hard work in a small business.

    So back to stocks, if the hidden tax is true, anybody not investing in the market would be like walking up the down escalator. At least investing in the market, assuming some growth will keep ones personal wealth up relative to inflation/hidden tax. Not doing so will essentially make every dollar saved less valuable by the minute, while it could be earnign something in the market.

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